I have been watching Reverse Missionaries on the good old BBC. I'm grateful that they have put such a program on particularly as the voice over is not disparaging. And it shows the impact of missionaries who followed Gods vision for them.
However, the beginning of each programme it shows a church that is defeatist. It won't work here! When we're gone there won't be a church!
I just wondered if this is what you see in your local churches.
I have been involved in new and planted churches almost my entire adult life, and it's not a view I see especially. However we have never been trying to perform a work of maintenance or holding things together like a traditional church, so that could be why?
What? I'd love to understand what all this means.
GB = Great Britian (United Kingdom)
BBC British Broadcasting Corporation
Reverse Missionaries - People who come to Britain from places where a British Missionary went and has left a large Christian legacy ie David Livingston in Africa
The first of three programmes (can be seen on iplayer )http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b01dn15f/Reverse_Missionaries_...
the British Churches shown in the programme are full of older diminishing congregations. The programmes worldview is that this reflects the state of Christianity on this side of the Atlantic.
Thanks. I suspected some of this, but I couldn't get the import of it. It's just like another member bogged about some passage in Amos. What does sadden me is the state of the Church in Europe in general. Where reformations and awakenings once caused Christianity to flourish, there seems to be quite a bit of apathy. On this side of the pond, we're not far behind. There's also way too much fluffy stuff over here.
God's church will not be defeated ... think about it!
Well, isn't the original post about local bodies of believers? True, the invisible and true catholic church by definition is never defeated. But there is the visible church and nothing says churches will always thrive in a visible way. We see cultures embrace Christianity for a while and then lose interest.
Yeah - you're right. Buildings come and buildings go. People come and people go. But, as Don Moen sang -- "God will make a way, where there seems to be no way!"
Keep the faith! Keep the Hope!
Buildings do come and go, and lots of the old, large buildings in the UK are very beautiful to look at (do nothing for me mind) but the upkeep of them is tremendous. I think many of these buildings will cease to be used for worship in the not too distant future - church buildings are ceasing to be used as churches all the time.
I agree with Carl, God will make a way, and far from being sad about the changes, I say, bring it on. I'm fed up with people where I come from fussing on about the colour of the curtains etc. yet never utter a word about God. Judgemental? Probably, but it's a sad fact in some cases.
Judgemental is good, Jesus and Paul said so.
Could you expand a little Stevo. Thank you.
My judemental thinking doesn't feel good to me, human yes, but I shock myself at times at the things I have been known to think about fellow churchgoers who appear to be totally absorbed in the institution!
I'll be kind and avoid the whole contexts:
 Do not judge by appearances, but judge with right judgment.”
(John 7:24 ESV)
 For what have I to do with judging outsiders? Is it not those inside the church whom you are to judge?  God judges those outside. “Purge the evil person from among you.”
(1 Corinthians 5:12-13 ESV)
 Judge for yourselves: is it proper for a wife to pray to God with her head uncovered?
(1 Corinthians 11:13 ESV)
I'm just sayin', there are plenty of places where it's Biblically appropriate to judge people and their behavior. Maybe you're not out of line...
Thanks Stevo, for taking the time, I appreciate it.
Maybe I'm not so much out of line than I originally thought : )
Hey, but don't let's get started on the 'head covering' saga again! lol