Noob in worship leading and in leading

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Permalink Reply by Scott DePrefontaine on February 17, 2012 at 1:47am

Hi Elaine, I have found exactly the opposite. Where the younger worshipers were too concerned about being seen in a performance rather than worshi[p. In addition they formed their own little gorups often gossiping and wounding older more mature worshipers. As a result worshipers like my self simply ( and by no means do I believe someone in their 40' on up is old) step down from all the wounding inflicted upon us. Those who are considered mature in worship usually have the desire to mentor, train, raise up, and release younger worshipers. The sad state is that often these younger worshipers want nothing to do with us. When I say mature I do not always mean in age. There needs to be a balance of maturity so that wisdom and refining of the gifts we have been blessed with can be imparted so that new leaders, true worship leaders led by the Holy Spirit can in deed be release. There is no place for performance in worship. I also do not believe being gay lines up with the word of god so leading is not an option. Hate the sin but love the sinner. People who are in this lifestyle need to be loved, counseled so they can be release from the bondage they are in. I have so much more to share and actually have blogs surrounding this subject as well as others. I would be happy to share with you how you can if your worshipers are open to it raise up worshipers in their gifts.

 

Permalink Reply by Elaine Rose S. Caras on February 17, 2012 at 3:51am

I agree. there is no place for performance in worship. i don't think anyone in our church would disagree to this. somehow i feel like others are into this but i don't want to think that way.

It's been hard for me to say to no people who are not yet ready to be on stage. you don't need to have super amazing-whitney houston- type of voice, but if your voice (out of tune, no timing, no control) would most likely distract the community instead of inspire or motivate to worship in leading, then id rather not risk it.

members of our worship team did not go through audition. i wanted to but the pastors said it might offend people. argh so frustrating. now we have people who might be of more use to other ministries, idle in the owrship team.

(im ranting im sorry)

Permalink Reply by Timothy Nelson on February 17, 2012 at 2:52pm

I agree on the performance issue. I had a guy that was into that so much that it got the best of him and he walked away from our church. He simply did not understand what our role was on the platform.

 

Saying no is hard for me as well since I can't stand hurting people's feelings, but we need to be honest in Love for them.

 

In your church you need to be close to your pastor, on the same page so to speak if things are going to work well. Try to find ways to work with him/or her and never talk with others about your pastor in a way that will tear him down.

 

I hope this helps you. I've only been a praise team leader for about two years so I have much to learn.

 

Blessings

Permalink Reply by Elaine Rose S. Caras on February 17, 2012 at 3:01pm

Thanks so much :)

I talked about it with my pastor just this afternoon and he told me 2 things...

1. Worship leaders are to be good examples on and out of the platform 

and

2. If I can't tell people that leading worship is not their gift, then I'm stopping people from finding out what their true calling is...

gotta read between the lines. somehow i know what he means, but i was kind'a hoping that he'd go straight to the point so i can quote him. man i'm such a coward. Please pray for me :)

Permalink Reply by David Loeffler on February 18, 2012 at 9:44pm

What I did and would in your case do, but you need to get it approved with your Pastor, I'm the Senior pastor so I didn't have to do that step, anyway write out a set of guidlines you believe all on the team need to follow, then sit down and have a meeting with them. You will find those who do not want to follow the guidelines and therefore they can no longer be on the team.

What you said about gay is to be said about anyone living in any sin, can not be on the tean much less lead a song. We have all sinned but living in sin is different than sinning and repenting and moving on. I pesonally do not allow anyone openly living in sin to be leading or involved in any ministry what you allow you condone. The reason I say openly is because some have secrect sin that we may not know of but when it is found out it must be delt with, in love of course.

If you have been put in that place of leadership, age shouldn't matter, only maturity in the Lord.

Hope this helps.

God Bless,

Pastor Dave

Permalink Reply by Nathan Lawrenson on February 17, 2012 at 2:05pm

1. I'm not sure I understand the problem?

2. A good leader is one who can say yes to the right people and no to the wrong people.  The problem you outline in #4 is a consequence of your not being able to say no.  You're also going to need to learn to say no to those people who have great voices but lack in other areas.  It's not easy, but it is Biblical.

3. Having an "admiration" for same sex and wearing strange clothing does not make a person gay.  But, if you do have people who are struggling with the sin of homosexuality, then no, they do not need to be leading in ministry.

4. See my answer to #2.

Nate

Permalink Reply by Nathan Lawrenson on February 17, 2012 at 2:06pm

BTW, if your pastors are more concerned with not offending people than they are of leading people to experience spiritual growth and maturity, you've got bigger issues on your hands than what you've already outlined.

Nate

Permalink Reply by Timothy Nelson on February 17, 2012 at 2:53pm

I agree Nate!

Permalink Reply by Elaine Rose S. Caras on February 17, 2012 at 3:19pm

I believe our issues are really internal. It's what's on the inside that has a problem. Their actions are merely manifestations of what's in their hears. 

You are so right. You know what, somehow I feel empowered. I think I need to talk to my pastors about this. I think I need to be more firm. When I talked to our head pastor, he told me that If I can't tell people that leading worship is not their gift, then I'm stopping people from finding out what their true calling is. I guess he's just waiting for me to be honest to people.

Thanks :)

Permalink Reply by David Loeffler on February 18, 2012 at 9:45pm

AMEN

Permalink Reply by Timothy Nelson on February 17, 2012 at 2:41pm

Hi Elaine,

 Welcome to being a worship leader!

Some things you need to do everyday: Pray, read scripture, practice your music, read to improve in your role. I would start with a book called "Revive" by Nelson Searcy & Jennifer Dykes Henson.

 

On no. 3 I say how can someone say they are a christian and live in sin? As leaders in the church we are called to a higher standard so it is very important who is put on the platform. You want the unsaved in your church but not up in front leading worship.

 

It might take some time for the team to adjust to your way of doing things, but just pray for wisdom, and for strength. Pray about everything your doing.

 

Hang in there Elaine! I will pray for you.

 

 

Permalink Reply by Elaine Rose S. Caras on February 17, 2012 at 3:24pm

Thanks so much :) I'll look for that book :)

I am currently reading 90 days with David by Beth Moore and it has helped me a lot.

Thanks so much and I hope you guys pray for me and our church. Please pray that I be given the faith, wisdom, and courage I need. And that... errrr... ummm... I'm not trying to run away from my problems (sorry I don't want to hide what's inside my head), but... I hope people who are not equipped for this ministry voluntarily look for another ministry where they could really maximize their God-given talents. Huhuhu... The books says you lose your authority when you lack the courage to confront. So I really need to confront people. But God move their hearts please. But if I have to go through this, then so be it. Huhuhuhu.

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