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Hey, everyone! I've been listening to a lot of Lincoln Brewster's stuff recently, and I've noticed that he leans pretty heavily on nice tap-tempo delays for his supper cool, neato verse riffs. I've only ever been using multi-effects units since I started playing electric about a couple years ago, and I'm not 100% sure how to use real delay pedals with tap tempos.
So here's one question - do you just tap in the tempo of the song your playing right on the spot? I know one could run into serious trouble if you set up your delay time for one tempo beforehand and then your drummer pulls fast or drags the tempo.
Another question - what's a good delay pedal to use that has tap tempos and different types of delays? I've seen a friend use the green Line 6 delay unit, but he didn't explain its operation, and he didn't even use it that much that I'm aware of.
I have some nice delays that I like on my Digi Tech Rp350, but in order to turn it on or off, you have to use the expression pedal, or you have to line up two presets next to each other - one with delay and one without. I like to be able to use the expression pedal to control other perimeters like amp drive or on/off for a distortion box or effects box model.
Yeah, this is lengthy, but I just really want to learn all I can.
So here's one question - do you just tap in the tempo of the song your playing right on the spot? I know one could run into serious trouble if you set up your delay time for one tempo beforehand and then your drummer pulls fast or drags the tempo.
Another question - what's a good delay pedal to use that has tap tempos and different types of delays? I've seen a friend use the green Line 6 delay unit, but he didn't explain its operation, and he didn't even use it that much that I'm aware of.
I have some nice delays that I like on my Digi Tech Rp350, but in order to turn it on or off, you have to use the expression pedal, or you have to line up two presets next to each other - one with delay and one without. I like to be able to use the expression pedal to control other perimeters like amp drive or on/off for a distortion box or effects box model.
Yeah, this is lengthy, but I just really want to learn all I can.
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Permalink Reply by Wayne Pau on -
Tap is a necessity. Most good pedals have tap tempo. Especially if you want to dotted-eighth note or other time-based delay techniques. Google "Edge U2 Dotted Eighth Note Delay" and you'll get a bunch of hits for this technique.
I have a Boss DD-3 and Line6 DL4. Love the DL4, it's great. Has a looper and 3 pre-sets. If you are going to buy a delay pedal, this is a good one. (I've also hear good things about the TC Electronics Nova Delay.)
However, these days I usually pre-program with my POD XT Live. I have a rough tempo programmed in, and then adjust on-the-fly during the song if necessary. -
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Permalink Reply by MIke on -
So to answer your first question, yes, you do tap the tempo in right on the spot. It takes two "taps" to set the tempo in most pedals so I start tapping when the drums click us in. It also helps to keep tapping a bit into the song and whenever necessary during the changes of the song (some drummers like to speed up and slow down).
About your second question as to which would be a good delay pedal. That is all up to personal preference. I'll try to sum up some of the more popular delay pedals. Maybe that will help. So, you have 2 main types of delay. Digital and Analog. Digital delay is just an exact repeat of your guitar sound. Analog delay sort of decays your signal as your repeats continue. (your repeats become slightly more lo-res as they continue on.) So...
Line6 DL4 - This is a great pedal for Analog delay. If you are looking for a simple delay with maybe a few trails after a note or longer delays for volume swells this is your pedal. It has a digital delay setting as well as quite a few others but most people use it for analog delays. It has 3 banks for which to save 3 different settings and a tap tempo switch as well. This would not be a good choice if you are looking to do dotted 8th delay. You will have to tap in between the notes as the pedal only does 8th note tapping. Not to mention analog delay doesn't sound very good with dot. 8th.
Boss DD-7 - This pedal is great for Digital delay. It will only give you 1 setting (with the switch) and you will need to buy an external tap tempo switch. However, if you are looking for a pedal to do 1 thing this is a good choice. It will also do dotted 8th as well as all the other ms values you get with other pedals. You can tap the quarter notes and the pedal will produce dot. 8th.
Boss DD-20 - This is the pedal I would suggest for you. It is like having both the DD-7 and DL4. The analog delays sound great, as well as the digital. It does all the note values There are 4 memory banks with which you can save any type/note value of delays. It has built in tap tempo (hold the selector for 2 sec. and it has an external tap tempo jack for tapping with an external TT pedal (recommended).
Hope this has helped in some way... the best way as always is just to go try everything you can get you hands on. Find what suits you best. I m currently using both the DL4 and DD-20 and enjoy both pedals. They both see frequent use. If I had to choose though, the DD-20 would win in a heartbeat. A few others pedals to look at are... Eventide Timefactor (more money, better tone), EHX Memory Man, Empress Superdelay, and the Diamond Memory Lane. Good luck! I hope you find what you are looking for. -
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Permalink Reply by Judah Community on -
I have found the TC Electronic Nova Delay to be very performance-oriented. It not only has tap tempo, but also a feature where you can set the tempo by muting the pedal and plucking notes in time.
I have a Nova Delay and enjoy when the time to use it is right. : ) -
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Permalink Reply by Brad Heydon CCLI on -
I Would Second this, the nova delay is awesome, i Use it and the Boss DD-20, i used to have the Green line 6 DL4, but got rid of it due to the usability of it and the tone.
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Permalink Reply by Stevo on -
I bought the Hardwire, but when I was looking at delays, I liked the TC Nova and kind of wish I had gotten it. It has some very usable features.
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Permalink Reply by SeraphimRenegade on -
Personally, I love the Boss DD-20 Giga Delay Pedal. It is amazing and it's so versatile! Additionally, you do have the option of picking up a footswitch pedal for your tap-tempo, allowing you to switch through your four presets on your DD-20. These can run from about $40 and up, but I found out that you can actually use the sustain pedal from a keyboard (the removable ones from the cheaper Yamahas, etc.) and it has the necessary elements to work as an additional footswitch for a tap-tempo pedal. I don't have much personal experience with any of the other pedals listed above, but after researching them all and personally purchasing and working with the DD-20, I'm sold completely. Hope this helps! Dios le bendiga!
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Permalink Reply by daniel cash on -
It seems like we're all great minds that think alike (or however that saying goes)!
I have a DD-5 and the DL4 and with the two of those you can get pretty much any delay sound you want. I leave the DD-5 on the dotted-eighth setting (so I can tap in quarters and get dotted-eighths out - much better than counting "ONE and two AND three and FOUR"). If you put the DD-5 (dotted 8ths) before the DL4 (quarters) in the effects chain, you can achieve those awesome Edge/Fee delay sounds that make the ladies go crazy!
On a side note, the TC Nova Delay has a setting which does this for you.
Another good one to check out is the Memory Boy Deluxe by Electro Harmonix. -
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Permalink Reply by Stevo on
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I played a half a dozen Memory Boy Deluxe at Guitar Center and they were very noisy and seemed hurriedly constructed. But for sure a TC is nice.
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Permalink Reply by Daniel Avery on -
I use the Line6 ToneCore Echo Park - Great, affordable pedal with lots of tonal options. There are better sounding pedals out there, but it has a ton of versatility for a decent price (I picked mine up on craigslist for $60.)
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Permalink Reply by Aaron Warren on -
Anyone use the TC electronics flashback? Its small, has lots of different tones and you can download artist delay settings too? thinking this may be my second pedal after the DD-20.
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Permalink Reply by Stevo on
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I've played one a good bit and I really liked it and the price was right. It's the equal of my Digitech Hardwire Delay if not better. If I was choosing today, I'd get the Flashback.
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Permalink Reply by Toni on -
Curious how this thread keeping coming back, like an echo.
I use a couple of delays: MXR Carbon Copy and a Dano PB&J. Bung the CC in an effects loop with a lot of preamp overdrive and you get a wonderful warm 80s lead tone. Used between a clean guitar and the amp it sounds fat & lush. The PB&J does a nice digital delay, all clean and snappy, and has a second footswitch that halves the delay time for rockabilly slap-back sounds.
No tap tempo but lots of good tones from those 2.
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