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Permalink Reply by Toni on November 6, 2010 at 8:03pm

You simple replace your normal cab with an isolation cab - that's a soundproof cab with a speaker in it - and use it in the usual way (with head, effects etc) except that the internal mic is used to take the sound out to the PA. You don't put your gear in another room. Many iso cabs have ports that can be opened to let some sound bleed out for those around to hear.

Permalink Reply by Cory Zipperle on November 8, 2010 at 7:47pm

Everything I have read suggests that dealing with the bass energy in an ISO box is the biggest challenge. Though, in practice, I have seen engineers and musicians compensate with some EQ tweaking.

Here is a great thread on building ISO boxes: http://www.gearslutz.com/board/so-much-gear-so-little-time/383993-b...

Of course, there are people here who say that it is a bad idea. If you have any large churches around, I'd call them up and ask them how they implement ISO boxes. If they have real engineers on staff, double bonus!

I'm sad to say that most of the people that I know that do this all have the ability to control their rigs remotely. Usually a snake is on stage and provides loads of channels so that everybody can send their signals back to the ISO boxes. Those that need to touch their heads / cabs usually have a remote switch to do that.

As an aside, some churches simply don't iso the bass. I don't know if this is the most popular method or not. But I can easily site a few that don't.

Permalink Reply by Bull on November 8, 2010 at 7:54pm

All the more reason for bass players being the worship leaders, so we can set our gear up in whatever way most blesses worship (and Christ).

Great experience last night. Played with some guys at a different church and ran my amp head through the house (equipped w/sub-woofer), with a floor monitor. All "active" sound.

I thumped my low B string during sound checks. There was this really bad rattle in the corner of the room. The pastor (who plays drums) wandered over to see what it was, since it was in the same area as the subwoofer. Turns out it was the wall rattling. Heh. I luv my Warwick. :)

If there were such a thing in those days, Joshua would have been a bass player.

Permalink Reply by Jon Wolske on November 5, 2010 at 11:56pm

As a bass player and guitar player (not at the same time....) I do like to have a small bass amp on stage. With my classic rock band, the amp is beside the drummer and projects to the middle of the dance floor area in between our FOH stacks (with subs), but not too much. I use IEMs and between the crispness of the bass in the IEM mix and the shake from the amp onstage, I am perfectly happy with the sound/feel.

At church we have a decent PA with a sub on each side of the platform, and the platform is finished wood. the bass amp is a 60 watt kickback combo. It is placed in the corner beside the drummer and angled up so that the bass player and drummer can lock in, and I can hear it front and center (playing guitar and leading worship).

We havve wedges on stage. We haven't had issues with the monitor levels affecting FOH (not in a bad way, at least, there is always going to be interaction) and the guitar amps on stage are just enough that we can hear them, but the FOH mix is what carries everything. It is nice to have reasonable players!

The only area I could see improving is the drums. with all the wood surfaces we have, a fishbowl would not be the best option to reduce the sound (we'd need a completely isolated fishbowl and we have to move the drums ina nd out every sunday...) so I'm looking at v-drum options now. our drummer is totally cool with the idea.

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