What is the reason of friction between sound and music team ? What shall be done ?

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Permalink Reply by Pas S Samson on October 12, 2011 at 6:32am

Dear Stevo,

 

That's the fact, another reason could be lack of their experience on board to handle it to the best of its ability. But most of the time as I have seen when we have some guest worship leaders from other parts of the nation and world, the output is awesome. How is that possible ?

 

However Let God be glorified through everything we do.

Blessings

Pastor S Samson 

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Permalink Reply by Stevo on October 12, 2011 at 12:52pm

You need to give some examples. When the guest worship leader is there, are you in the audience? Are you hearing house sound? How can you hear house sound while you're on stage? I'm trying to get a clear picture...

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Permalink Reply by Pas S Samson on October 13, 2011 at 4:53pm

Hi Stevo,

It has happened both ways. Sometimes I sit in the crowed when my rest of the team lead though I tell the sound team to mix level of instruments and vocals accordingly, the sound which comes out on the mains is not clear, nothing is clearly audible, neither the vocal nor the instruments. At the same time when some other team comes, the sound is mixed by the same sound team but the voice is clear like crystal every thing is so clearly audible and it really sounds so sweet to the ears. I do not know how is it possible ?         

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Permalink Reply by Stevo on October 13, 2011 at 5:12pm

Interesting. Is it always this way for you, or just some times. Is it always the same team that you deal with? How often is this a problem when you're actually on stage? 

 

I'm sensing several possibilities. Either they are deliberately sabotaging you, or they are randomly being idiots, or they have an inconsistent level of "care" for what's going on, or the equipment is not reliable. It could also be poor ear training on the part of the sound techs and this may just be random successes and failures that only seem targeted at you.

 

I can tell you that unreliable equipment is a pain and even expensive stuff can give you trouble. If it's an attitude issue, there's no excuse and it needs to be addressed.

 

The one thing you need to face is your relationship with them. If you don't have a good rapport with the sound team, they will not help you very much. You'll get what you get.

 

Do you know if they are doing this on purpose, or is it just a lack of detail and care? Or can they even control it?

 

I just managed sound this past week and have a renewed appreciation for what they do. Our pastor's lapel mic decided to go out mid-service. I hadn't changed a thing. It seems to be a bad channel in our Yamaha O1V 96 mixer. This kind of stupidity happens every week and is only compounded by small mistakes or un-expected changes. It can't be helped.

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Permalink Reply by Pas S Samson on October 13, 2011 at 5:45pm

Stevo,

This is a mixture of every thing. Little bit of personality problem, bit of lack of knowledge and also the equipments. On percentage level if I need to say, 40% Relationship Problem and deliberately sabotaging , 30% Knowledge, 20% Equipments and 10% Innocence.

How do we deal with it now ?

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Permalink Reply by Stevo on October 13, 2011 at 9:34pm

Really? I would also see relationship and sabotage as two different things. Still a little funny this thread. Too many reasons for us to give any solid advice. If no one is there to fire those who are obstinate and no one gets along with the sound tech, what does work right? It sounds like you have a completely messed up situation.

Permalink Reply by Pas S Samson on October 14, 2011 at 5:35am

Thank you Stevo,

Well, now according to you and the experience you have in this field, what do you think I, as a leader should do or can do to solve this issue, Knowing that I may not get any assistance from my higher leadership. 

Regards

Pastor Samson.

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Permalink Reply by Stevo on October 14, 2011 at 7:49pm

Start with yourself. If you're pointing at others, you're not solving the issue. Honestly though, if you have no assistance from higher leadership, I have to ask why not?

Permalink Reply by Pas S Samson on October 17, 2011 at 8:06am

Hi Stevo,

Firstly, step which you said about my own introspection, I have started doing it personally and with the team as well , and I have found one thing that we cannot put the church and our ministry to the church for a toss because of relationship or any other problems. My commitment to the church is my focus and priority and the whole music team agrees to it. We expect the same from sound team as well. As human beings we can have some disagreements and clashes of opinions but that cannot stop us from giving our best to church, as what we are giving is not in fact to the church but to GOD through the church. These is what is our ministry to GOD and we cannot compromise in that because of any given reason.  

Secondly, Two reasons, why I will not get any assistance from the leadership ?

1. As the history hasn't proved it yet, though the leadership are aware of the  rift between both the team. I have expressed my discontent many times, and if I and my team is wrong we need to be told about our wrong doing but never it happened so, instead the leadership agrees with the oversight of the sound team.

2. As we do not have any backup, if we ask the present team to step down, we have no one else to handle the sound, this is what the leadership thinks, we have informed the leadership that we have people in music team who can handle the sound but may be because of the lack of confidence or some other reason they are hesitant to take any firm decision. The sound team do not allow any one of these guys from the music team to help them as well.

 

 

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Permalink Reply by Stevo on October 17, 2011 at 12:21pm

I still wish I understood more. But I definitely sense that you have a major relationship problem between you and the sound team that isn't helping you. For whatever reason, what you're describing is an antagonistic relationship and as long as that remains the case, you'll never have any useful progress.

Permalink Reply by Pas S Samson on October 17, 2011 at 3:09pm

Hi Stevo,

When u say "antagonistic", should I understand that we, the music team, should agree and accept anything and everything, good or bad, the sound team does, and never question them for the non realistic and non cooperativeness, or I have not understood the point you are trying to make. Please correct me if I am wrong. 

Regards

Samson S   

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Permalink Reply by Stevo on October 17, 2011 at 3:46pm

Meaning that I'm sensing a lot of frustration and disagreement to the point of sabotage. It sounds really bad from your description. I've never heard of anything quite this bad.

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