Should my Church's Praise and Worship Leader be benched?????

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Permalink Reply by David Prentice on September 17, 2009 at 9:19pm

David,
I really wanted to reply to your second thought:
"Just because he fell and fell hard doesn't mean that they cant serve somewhere in the church."

I'm not so sure that allowing them to serve in any capacity "FOR A SEASON" is a good idea. At this point, as a pastor, I'd want this brother have time to examine his actions ... evaluate his priorities ... have a serious degree of accountability ... and a strategy for restoration ... if he really wants to repent.

Long before we serve God in some capacity it's gotta first be about our relationship with Christ. If a person falls into an egregious ongoing sin, it speaks volumes as to the persons priorities. We either want God and what he wants for us or we want what we want and if God doesn't like it ... tough cookies! God doesn't work that way. If the person is hot to trot to be pressed back into service or to continue in service this would point to a serious degree of misplaced priorities.

I stepped off the platform for half a year because I wasn't able to tell God that I loved Him more than what I was doing for Him. I had to make sure that I had my priorities straight. That, even if I never had the opportunity to serve again ... I had Christ and that was all that really mattered.

I believe that service is a privilege that we take for granted ... that platform is holy ground ... and without Christ in the middle of it all, we might as well be playing down at Joe's bar & Grill with a tip jar in front of us.

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Permalink Reply by David Estes on September 25, 2009 at 10:08pm

I agree with that. You are right. There "may" need to be a setting down for a "period of time". That has to be determined by each case and by the leadership staff. (Most of the time it is like they get shut out FOREVER.)

I have an assuption at work that is the reason for #2.
1. For people to really be resored they have to feel and know that they are loved.
2. That can only happen in a church if the person can use there gifts. (assuption is - people who are serving want to use there gifts and are wanting to be used by God) You cant go from being used and flowing in your gifts to a complete stop doing nothing. At least for very long.
The sad thing is it may be that the person needs to go to another church and it may be that the person may never be able to be in that same position again - 'BUT' - They still need to be restored in some capasity.

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Permalink Reply by David Estes on September 28, 2009 at 4:12pm

I dont get what you are saying here.
"First of all we can't restore him nor can he restore himself."

Gal 6:1
Brethren, if a man be overtaken in a fault, ye which are spiritual, restore such an one in the spirit of meekness; considering thyself, lest thou also be tempted.

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Permalink Reply by justme on September 18, 2009 at 9:20am

What if this man does not repent and feels he is living his life right? He has already stated that God has released him from his marriage so that he can start over with his "NEW LIFE"!

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Permalink Reply by MIke on September 17, 2009 at 6:20pm

Wow... so... heated discussion. I agree the situation is certainly misfortunate however, it is ultimately up to your pastor to decide whether he stays or goes. I don't know your position in the church but I would advise you to be very careful what you speak. I can tell the situation has made you angry, but it sounds like you are angry at the person more than at the cause behind why he has done what he has done. I'm not trying to justify what he did but ultimately this is a matter of justice. From your comments it sounds like you are looking for punishment for this man rather than justice to the situation. (not judging, just observing.) I will choose to believe that this is not the case.

On the subject of your pastor, if what you said is true, maybe you should ask God for another church to attend. In your reply to Charles earlier it seems you are just trying to prove you pastor wrong with this discussion. This is not a motive of God. To make SURE that you are in right order I think you need to examine yourself and take your motives into question. If you are just trying to prove someone wrong, you are not helping the situation at all. Once again, I hope this is not your motive. The only reason I voiced what I did is because I wouldn't want someone to offended at you when you are just trying to help. I hope this all works out for you... God Bless.

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Permalink Reply by justme on September 18, 2009 at 9:17am

Mike,

My intentions are to help the Church as well as the Pastor see, that this situation is not in alienment with God's Word and that this sutuation needs to be corrected. If the praise and worship leader is taken down, maybe the restoration process can begin and the Church can move in a more positive direction. One can only Pray at this point.

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Permalink Reply by Lil on September 22, 2009 at 7:17am

Please do not take this as an attack. I do not mean it as such. I think many of the replies are very biblical and restoration should be the goal if the man has a repentant heart. But I am also wondering how is this information known? Did this come from the guilty party himself? If so was he repentant? Did this come from the Pastor's mouth?

All this being asked because we all know churches and how experiences are exaggerated. We must take action ONLY after knowing all the facts. I don't believe the whole church should know the details unless they are involved. I do believe the scripture that says 'if you sin before all you will be rebuked before all' but it all comes down to the attitude of repentance of the one who has sinned. If they are truly repentant then I don't believe the details need to come out before the church. I don't even believe those online should know the details. We have to keep secrecy if restoration is truly the goal. The discipline should be between God, the man and his spiritual leader the Pastor.

I hope I make sense.

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Permalink Reply by justme on September 22, 2009 at 9:10am

Lil,

This did not come from the guilty party himself. I was a Church member until the unfolding of the praise and worship leaders marriage fell apart, new mistress appeared, and became pregnant all unfolded in the church. As for the Pastor, he still allows this man to stand and lead worship. All of this goes against God's word. If you don't believe in what is happening in a church or what is being taugh when you know it is against God's word, you leave and I did. The Pastor will not discipline this man, if he would have maybe non of this would have gotten so bad and this far out of hand.

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Permalink Reply by Lil on September 22, 2009 at 11:55am

Hi again~

thanks for the kind reply. If the man's heart is not repentant (I must say this is key to restoration) and the Pastor has still not removed him, maybe it is time you find another place to worship. I would say by staying you would be endorsing the behaviour of both.

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Permalink Reply by Robert on September 27, 2009 at 7:56pm

Yeesh! I cannot help but thinking of the story of Gideon when he was young, God told him to tear down the altar his father built to Baal and use the wood to make a burnt offering to the Lord. If you feel that not only the worship leader is corrupt, but also the pastor, maybe you could rent a bulldozer and go in at night like Gideon did. In this present day and age, you might go to jail for it, but you will have made an indelible point. The other option, if you are really unhappy there, is to count your losses, lick your wounds and do like Forrest Gump, just say you are done, turn around and go a new direction.

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