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Hymns and Drinking Songs?
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Permalink Reply by Daniel Lyle on -
According to Wikipedia the tune was composed by Luther
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Mighty_Fortress_Is_Our_God#Tune
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Permalink Reply by Bosque on -
Your right Daniel:
"While in the 19th century musicologists disputed Luther's authorship of the music to the hymn, that opinion has been modified by more recent research; it is now the consensus view of musical scholars that Luther did indeed compose the famous tune to go with the words."
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Permalink Reply by Daniel Lyle on
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Well as far a Wikipedia is concerned... I could certainly be wrong : )
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Permalink Reply by Bosque on
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I read several comments that Luther wrote it but perhaps he was inspired by a beer song. Originally it was said that it was a beer hall tune.
It's easy to come up with a melody that reminds us of another song, perhaps subconsciously we've been circulating it in our inner self because we like it.
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Permalink Reply by Stevo on -
Perhaps Luther composed it while in a beer hall and sang it there first for all to here?
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Permalink Reply by Greg Moore on -
As other posters have noted - the tune was likely composed by Luther - disputed for some time, but generally accepted today. The form,
A A B + half of A,
is typical of a traditional hymn in "bar form", which has nothing whatever to do with beer halls. No it is possible that Luther was inspired by a song he heard -- no one makes a melody that is "completely original", so I don't totally discount your thesis.
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Permalink Reply by Bosque on
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Also Luther said, "While I was drinking beer, God was reforming Europe! (paraphrased)
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Permalink Reply by Daniel Lyle on
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Great quote!
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Permalink Reply by Bosque on
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I remember coming across this statement while reading Luther. It impressed me so I remembered it ... Just don't ask for the reference. lol
Maybe one of our Lutheran brothers can verify it, ??
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Permalink Reply by Matthew Edey on -
Almost everything Martin Luther used he either borrowed from a bar tune, or wrote in the "style" of the bar tune.
Be Thou My Vision was originally a pagan Celtic melody.
The Battle Hymn of the Republic was originally "John Brown's Body" and at the time, considered a morally lewd topic.
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Permalink Reply by Jonathan A. Aigner on -
With all due respect, the "Battle Hymn" and it's troubling theology hardly makes it a standard of Christian hymnody. Quite the opposite - very few places, evangelical or mainline, even sing it anymore. And for good reason.
Also, "Be Thou My Vision" is set to a traditional Irish melody, which I'm not sure could by any stretch call it a "pagan" melody. Again, there are many different veins of folk music, most of which do not have any profane connotations.
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