What do most of you do when you get requests for song types you don't do. don't want to loose people, can't please everyone. I am senior Pastor and worship leader, we get some people wanting the old hyhms, I did'n't grow up with them don't know them and it's not our style yet people think they can control what is sung??
its remarks like I'm sure its not coming from a good place, that I take offence at and others here also, again you don't know me, how can you judge me that way?
Again, does the comment actually describe you? From one of your long replies, it seems not. But if you do find yourself appealing to your position of authority in that way, I know it's not coming from a good place. I don't need to know you to know that.
And by "not coming from a good place", I mean that if you're having to directly appeal to your position of authority to solve an issue, it's probably coming from desperation or frustration and that's never a good way to lead. Better to step back and reset and try again.
Now that is different than acting in your position of authority.
Why do you feel the need to say all these things and volunteer all this information? I'm very puzzled - you don't welcome someone prying and yet you open up the freezer for all to see. I feel like I know tons about you now. About 6 tons more than earlier today.
So tell me, does "in love" mean "not picking up on things and pointing them out, even if it sets me off"?
As a Christian leader you should not be "set off" . If you don't want to know about me or my situation and know that you will be "set off" then wisdom says stand back. When a brother does wrong he needs to be corrected, and this is a hard place to do that in any other way than point out what has been done, seeing how I can't go to you in person and talk. Just my short time here I can see and discern things that I do not like so I will not be around these parts anymore and seek out a good forum of like minded beleivers who are willing to help eachother without lashing out at others opinions. i know some of the remarks were not toward me but I feel because it was my initial post to defend those with good ideas and thoughts.
It is you who was set off - that was my point. In other words, I did point out some things based on what you said (and you've said a lot) but it is hard to do this properly on the web for sure. So if it doesn't apply to you, no big deal. But since it caused you to write several paragraphs of defensive material, ask yourself - why?
What were you actually looking for?
If you read my posts properly you will see I have listened to all the people and you have obviouly not listened to me, and who are you to question me as a Pastor and who are you to tell me what my congregation needs. The Word says do not argue the Word and I will not. You are very argumentive and not suportive and the responces are not in love the way you speak to me and to others in this discussion, so, end of discussion, I will pray for your understanding, I do not know your religion but I do know its not the same as mine and again a good discussion if fine but aguing and putting down people you don't know is not of my God.
I did listen and asked a lot of questions. I don't recall telling you what your congregation needs although I did say that all this talk of submission is bothering me - as it should when it seems to be coming from Christian leaders who should be modeling servanthood instead.
I would also suggest, getting back to the original question, that there are lots of great lyrics to be found in the higher quality hymns. In fact, I would say that few modern songs approach this level of maturity and spiritual depth. It would be a shame not to find a way to use them somehow.
thats where I started and wanted to keep it, not get all this other stuff in the middle, we are all supposed to be mature Christians if in the position of worship leader or Pastor.
I go on secular sites about different things and never get this kind of negative reaction amongst eachother, its a shame to Christianity if the world is looking in at sits like this and see these things going on why would they want to be a part of it. Please don't argue the Word and be helpful and you will do good.
Don't argue the Word? What do you mean by that?
Yes it started there, but when someone started suggesting that one should end such disputes with things like, "god gave me the song" or "you're in authority, people should respect that", that's where my antenna went up. I start to get protective toward the people at that point.
I don't recall anything in your posts to suggest you have tried to solve your issue that way.
And back to the issue, I don't see any way out of it for you.
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Hope that helps!
That is great i will check it out, sounds familular, with all the books I have it may be one I bought and didn't read yet.
Anyway, Thanks I appreciate it.
You're very generous to title this "different tastes." The folks you mentioned sound like a composite of all the worst ones I've encountered in my years of ministry! Yet you love them, and don't want to lose them. You see your local body of saints truly as a Body, a fine trait that not everyone has.
Maybe because people know they can't preach, and they know they can't teach, and don't want to be asked to serve on the deacon board, that they try to control the only thing they think they can -- the music (besides, if they don't like the preaching, the only thing they have left to enjoy is the music!). I don't know. I don't understand how people who made a soft, tearful confession at an altar can grow so hard.
But if you don't grow hard, if you resist becoming "like them", but keep teaching and preaching and loving and caring for everyone, your church will be blessed -- grow or shrink -- and, as a missionary pastor you know will see a good harvest.